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Physicians Can't Help Patients Who Can't Help Themselves

Physicians Can't Help Patients Who Can't Help Themselves

“So why are you here?”

I have found that this question leads to better patient compliance than any lecture I could give.

My typical visit consists of me taking a history, doing a physical exam, explaining the patient’s diagnosis and prognosis to them, and detailing the plan with them. The majority of the time, that works. The patient says OK, they fill their prescription, they get their tests done, and they come back. Granted, most of them don’t do so well with the lifestyle modification part of the plan, but most of them have good intentions.

On the other hand, I have some patients who really make me wonder why they even bother coming. They stop their meds, they go back on old ones (sometimes expired ones), they change their dose, they don’t get their tests done; all that in addition to the usual lack of lifestyle modification. I will usually conduct a typical visit anyway: history, physical, plan. I explain the whys and wherefores, I discuss the potential consequences of non-adherence to the plan. And I do take the time to explain to patients why they need to take certain drugs, what side effects to look for, why they need to get tests done, etc.

But at some point in this doctor-patient relationship, when the typical modus operandus fails, I stop entering things on the computer, fold my hands in my lap, lean back in my chair, and say, “So why are you here?” Sometimes it’s followed by, “How do you want me to help you?” or “What would you like me to do for you?” or “What would you like to happen now?”

I have found that making it their decision, based on their desire to get better (or not) puts the onus on them, thereby making them feel like owners of the plan. Case in point, I have a patient who at his last two appointments, came to me on different regimens than I had prescribed for him. He stopped one because he didn’t think it was helping so he went back on the old med he was on (you know, the one that was stopped the last time because it wasn’t helping), and he was started on something by an in-law who is a doctor. I told him he should follow up with his in-law but he doesn’t want to.

Then after that visit, he never started the new prescription I gave him, and he stopped another med.

 “So why are you here?”

“Because my diabetes is out of control.”

“What do you want?”

“I want you to tell me how to fix it.”

 “I did that last time, and you didn’t follow my advice. So what do you want to do now?”

“I want to get better.”

“How?”

This went around for a few minutes, but I think he finally understood that if he really wants to do better, to be better, that he needs to adhere to the plan, the plan that we agreed on together.

Now mind you, asking “What do you want me do for you now?” is not always followed by choirs singing Hallelujah. I had one patient reply, “All I want you to do is write prescriptions.” He did not want me to ask about his blood sugars (he wasn’t checking), he didn’t want to talk about his diet or his smoking, and he did not want me to change his doses. This, by the way, was the same ray of sunshine from an earlier post that called all angry because I allegedly did not call in his prescription and he had waited until he was completely out before he chewed me out about it.

But by and large, I do find that patient finally “get it” when I throw up my hands and admit I don’t know how else to help them without them helping themselves.

As providers, we all develop our methods and colloquialisms that we feel - right or wrong - get our point across. One of mine is - "10% of what will make you better is what I can do for you. The other 90% is what you do for yourself." The roundtable conversation you describe above is the rabbit I pull out of my hat when I haven't any other tricks to motivate a particularly non-compliant patient. It's uncommon for me to engage with patients so pointedly - when I do, they seem to sense I'm at the end of the line and they need to get involved in their care. Those that don't...well, I diagnose them as 'terminally non-compliant'. I don't know the definitive treatment for that. Do you?

Nichole @

Totally agreed, my fellow provider. I am always counselling or engaging my pts in a verbal contract to "meet me half way." And when it comes to clinical procedures or postop phase surgery (I tell them 2-3 times pre-op over a few visits right from the very 1st consultation!): My part is over in 30 min to 2 hrs... Your part goes on for 2 wks to 8-12 wks, and depending on the extent of the pathology found, soreness can persist for several months. Heck, as I've become seasoned, having performed over 10k clinic procedures, 100k injections, and several 1000 O.R. surgeries, I have become so bold & straight-fwd to even tell my pts that doctors (surgeons) are liars! We tell pts you will be all better in 4-6 weeks! Peeshaww. Sure, inflam & pain peaks @ 3-5 days, stitches out -10-14 days, bone heals 6 wks & major soft tissue 4wks -body heals by itself, no secret & cheating there (not until some new star trek gizmo is invented! Pts laugh.) But, you can expect scar tissue, soreness, & deep remodelling to last 6mos to 2 yrs, depending on what you've had done, how severe your problem was, and if there was residual damage that can't be immediately fixed... cuz we are just intervening a lot of times in an arthritic process or deformity to repair or salvage... and one can never go back to original factory parts! AND GUESS WHAT? PATIENTS APPRECIATE THE STRAIGHT, NO BULL TALK, AND THEN THEY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, LIKE ME BETTER, AND HAVE GOOD "EXPECTATION SETTING" DONE UP FRONT, AND THEY STAY WITH ME!! --WG, DPM.

William @

Wish more were like you. Was told I would be back go work in 2 weeks that I needed this surgery. When asked to explain he was cocky and said he has done 100's if them. I asked about side effects and was told I would be safe. Well I am sick 3 years, malabsorption, broken nose and esophogAs damage from intubation. Surgeon kept me out 90 days with ridiculous now but I believed him then. Cold compresses on swelling. Have a brain injury and discharged vomiting. Hospital should not have sent me home in that condition. Post oper report said they sent me home with spirometer it was not given nor the instructions. I should have gotten report right Away but was too incapacitated to do so.

Sue @

Amen to that ONE simple question, Dr. Young. For this is THEE one answer (the question itself) that I could ONLY come up with my self time after time this past year. See I am NOW in civilian practice... for the first time after nearly a decade of military practice (in uniform). And in El Paso, along the border... where many of my patient encounters are 'doubled' time-wise due to the translation services we must provide. Also, being short by a few dozen Podiatrists (as well as by several dozen of every other kind of doctors, specialists & generalists alike, wait times in clinics can be 20 minutes to 4 hours; but usually not more than 40 minutes in ours (but I myself have waited 2 to 4 hrs -nope, it seems I nvr get VIP tx, nor wd I presume to ask for it). Nevertheless, I had one case a short while back, addressed her 3-4 main problems for which she had RTC, went thru the steps as you do, AND STILL THE SPOUSE IN THE WAITING RM HAS THE GALL TO BARK OUT MY FRONT DESK STAFF FOR HOW LONG 'HE' HAS TO BE THERE IN THE CLINIC (TOTAL OF 2HRS) THAT MORNING... A fine how do you do for me having had to go thru her painful PN (of DM-II & poss HypoThyr as well), foot chronic pain, PVD (PADnet results & referral), explanations of Dx's & SEs for Rx Gabapentin & Rx pain med, paperwork, lab orders (PN panel)--which she agreed to but they left without, etc. Upon reflection, or as we used to say in the Army, After Action Review: My mistake(s), if any? I failed to ask: "What are your expectations here today? --and/or-- How can I help you? --and/or-- What are your goals with treatment(s)?? --Thank you for this article, my dear Doctor. I have been scouring the literature and websites as well as Amazon.com for books also on how to better relate to patients in the civilian world, and also to better adjust to this business side of medicine in which fees (money, insurance cards, and authorizations) are actually exchanged for my services performed, visits, surgical procedures I do, & for consultations. I will tell you this for certain: it changes the tenor of the patient:physician-surgeon interact, and often impacts the dynamic in ways I had NOT anticipated. 'Cuz in the military base hospital, I would just reach into the cabinet, drawer, or closet, and go right to guns, dispensal, or booking of the surgery this Friday or so!! -Wm G. DPM, Maj, MS, USA (ret), Brd Cert/Surg. West Texas.

William @

I do add
"What is your suggestion,How can I help you"
"This is my limit at this time!"

Adel @
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