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Coding: Reducing Duplicate Documentation; ‘Detailed Exam’ Debate; Pinpointing Profile Info


Here are your latest coding questions, answered by coding expert Bill Dacey.

Reducing duplicate documentation

Q I am a physician in a teaching hospital. I know that we need to document physician presence for every encounter. For the volume of patients on my service this means the “I personally examined and evaluated the patient …” language will need to be written 2,400 times a year plus any individualized documentation which means another 2,400 additional handwritten comments, totaling 4,800 a year. This is beyond human performance. Suggestions?

A What I’m reading into this question is that you are asking what can be done to relieve your documentation burden. Here is a quote from Medicare Transmittal 811 on the subject:

“When using an electronic medical record, it is acceptable for the teaching physician to use a macro as the required personal documentation if the teaching physician adds it personally in a secured (password protected) system.

“In addition to the teaching physician’s macro, either the resident or the teaching physician must provide customized information that is sufficient to support a medical necessity determination.

“The note in the electronic medical record must sufficiently describe the specific services furnished to the specific patient on the specific date. It is insufficient documentation if the resident and the teaching physician use macros only.”

In English, this means that you can use a canned macro to supply the “I saw and examined the patient” language as long as it comes from you. I added the emphasis to stress that what Medicare is looking for is the “personalized” first-hand knowledge of the case that will justify and support the payment to an attending. That’s where your emphasis needs to be.

So, to get the payment, you have to leave a paper trail of the work. Whether it is an EHR in the clinic, a handwritten note in an inpatient chart - or some form of template - you need to leave the itemized bill to qualify for the payment.

‘Detailed exam’ debate

Q I’m getting some conflicting information about what I need to have to support a “detailed exam.” One coder tells me I need to document seven organ systems while a colleague tells me that I can get by with as little as two or three if there is more detail. What’s the rule here?

A This speaks to the CPT code component definitions, those same definitions as adopted by the 1995 Federal Documentation Guidelines, the 1997 Guidelines, and most importantly - how these are interpreted and applied by a given reviewer looking at your documentation.

First the definition from CPT and the 1995 guidelines: “Detailed - an extended examination of the affected body area(s) and other symptomatic or related organ system(s).”

This does not specify a given number of systems. The description for the “expanded problem focused” level below it requires “a limited examination of the affected body area or organ system and other symptomatic or related organ system(s).” This also doesn’t give a count of systems. The difference is in “a limited exam” or “an extended exam” of a given area (or organ system) and some other number of systems.

These descriptions are close to 20 years old and just as vague now as when they were written. Since a problem focused exam is one system (it’s singular) and the comprehensive is eight (it says so), then both the expanded problem focused and detailed are somewhere between two and seven - and beyond that we really don’t know.

Some conventional wisdom says that two to four systems examined looks like the lesser of the two, while five to seven should satisfy the need for more. So there is some safety in the coder’s position that seven is good - certainly safe - if not required. For several of these systems, “A brief statement or notation indicating ‘negative’ or ‘normal’ is sufficient to document normal findings related to unaffected area(s) or asymptomatic organ system(s).” For those affected systems, or those involving the chief complaint, some narrative or depth would be expected.

Can you have a detailed exam with only two or three systems? I’d say you could - if the detail provided within the affected system appeared detailed. But here we are very much in the place of what does the note “feel” like as opposed to a specific count. You are in the court of the auditor now.

To be safe, really safe here, be sure that for two to three systems you cover 12 bullet points from the 1997 guidelines. This set of rules isn’t better, just different - it allows for specificity within a given system or area. The 1995 set actually allows less specificity. If you can get 12 of these points or elements, you’ve met the “detailed” exam under the more exacting standard.

In my opinion, even close to 12 points should be enough. With the exception of EHRs and templates, physicians don’t usually write more than they have to. Any reasonable auditor should be able to see the difference between a somewhat limited exam and one involving meaningful detail. So there is no magic number, it’s your call - and the auditor’s.

Coding profiles

Q I have seen you publish coding “profile” information and I want to get some normal profile information for my docs. Is there any way I can get the recommended established E&M code distribution for OB/GYN?

A What I have referenced in the past is from the website. Look under Research, Statistics and Data, then Medicare Fee for Service Statistics for Parts A &B, then Medicare Utilization for Part B, then E&M code by specialty. Remember the Obstetrics/Gynecology curve reflected here is all Medicare data - so it is mostly GYN. This also does not include commercial payer data. Remember that when you are looking at this. It’s the latest we have from Medicare, as of fiscal 2008.

Also remember that this is not recommended in any way, it is what is reported by physicians - likely with a good bit of undercoding in there. But it is what Medicare compares you to.

Bill Dacey, CPC, MBA, MHA, is principal in the Dacey Group, a consulting firm dedicated to coding, billing, documentation, and compliance concerns. Dacey is a PMCC-certified instructor and has been active in physician training for more than 20 years. He can be reached at or

This article originally appeared in the September 2010 issue of Physicians Practice.


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